Total Football system

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I am pretty interested in the system of "Total Football," popularized by the Dutch team and Johan Cruyff in the '70's.
Do you think it's possible for one to train with this system, and if so, how? Or, do you think that it is unnecessary?

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My team actually split off from our club a few years back and renamed ourselves Total Futbol because our coaches really liked the style of play. Our coaches always described the system as every individual player being able to play anywhere on the field and spreading the ball around, not focusing or specializing in a single area. That way, you can beat teams in a variety of ways instead of coming up against a system that can shut you down by denying you what your team focuses on.

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I have played against an indoor team playing total football.

We lost 14-0.



That system is about the f*cking craziest best system to ever be made. Cruijff was a genius... then again that was because he was Dutch :p

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wikipedia wrote:In football (soccer), Total Football is a system where a player who moves out of his position is replaced by another from his team, thus retaining their intended organizational structure. In this fluid system no footballer is fixed in his or her intended outfield role; anyone can be successively an attacker, a midfielder and a defender.

Total Football depends largely on the adaptability of each footballer within the team to succeed. It consists of footballers being extremely tactically aware, allowing them to change positions at high speed—in its simplest terms, every player is comfortable in any other position. It also puts high technical and physical demands on the players.
This is what k-flair was talking about in her progress log! I never knew the name of the system but Ive been trying to get this type of strategy where in the players switch and switch to spread out, replace, back up, and cover up ugly defensive holes for a long time. It's actually from an old war tactic but when I read about that type of tactic used in war, I was wondering if that can be used in footy and it has been used in FOOTY :D !

..............Unfortunately, I was hoping I could be the very first person who could come up with such an idea after reading about it in a history book. But Cruiff beat me to it 'cos he's old and he gets straight A's there. boohoo... :cry: :oops:

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Tbh I think if ya dun use man marking, and have good awareness of your surroundins, jz playin your own game, focusin on the ball instead of the man, then total football wont have much of an effect...no?

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Wanderer wrote:Tbh I think if ya dun use man marking, and have good awareness of your surroundins, jz playin your own game, focusin on the ball instead of the man, then total football wont have much of an effect...no?
Man marking doesn't work! I tried to man-mark, but then I would be all over the place, and that is not how you play. Half the time my marker was all the way standing practically next to his goal, and then BAM he is all the way sprinting past me to score.

Total Football is just about unstoppable. You have to play Zonal defense to have any chance, and you have to be quick to help your teammates, because they always double team you.

There is no way to understand how amazingly hard it is to play against a Total Football team until you have done it. Or at least seen it.

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i'd imagine if you played total football, you have to be incredibly fit, always running in and out of position. i don't think there are any pro teams that do this these days, am i right?
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soccer11 wrote:i'd imagine if you played total football, you have to be incredibly fit, always running in and out of position. i don't think there are any pro teams that do this these days, am i right?
I think you're right. Another thing is that every player has to be physically able to play every position, which in many cases is impractical. A guy who is 5'5" could be a good winger, but if he rotates into the role of central defender then your team is in trouble.

To stop total football you just have to defend as a unit. It might be difficult and stressful, but if the entire team works and defends together with great understanding of eachother any attack can be defended against. Positioning and knowing who to mark and where to force players can be more difficult because you won't always know who is going to come forward, but if the defenders have good awareness, read the game well, and work together in good communication they can stop the ball.

That's when tactics are almost all that matters.

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Hmm... it's an interesting idea. I think people should be able to attack and defend, but I also believe that they should specialize in 1 or 2 positions, developing critical skills important to them, but maybe not as much to another player in a different position. I mean, world class defenders are good at what they do, but that doesn't mean that they could be a world class striker because they specialize in different skills. I see this as a major fault in this total football program.

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Rinus Michels is actually the inventor of total football, but Cruyff was the 1st
and most famous exponent and without him Rinus maybe wouldn't of discovered it.

Rinus Michels is known to be the greatest coach of all time. (He is dutch too)

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Rinus Michels is known to be the greatest coach of all time
Michels is an absolute legend. Although apparently he did not actually invent total football. He was the man who made it one of the greatest tactical innovations of all time.

If you want to see it in full effect watch Holland vs Argentina on soccerpulse (in the classic footage section)

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I think every team uses pieces of the Total Football system to some extent. All of my club coaches have preached the importance of being versatile and not staying in a rigid structure the whole game.

I'm sure that in games your teams don't have each position stay in a designated area the whole time...that would be incredibly easy to defend. It's the idea that when one player makes a run another player is there to fill in the hole or players slide over to cover. For example, my team plays either a 4-4-2 or a 3-5-2 most of the time and I have recently been playing outside mid. With two strikers up top, the outside mids are responsible for almost playing as a "3rd striker" by making a run up front to add another option as the two strikers make runs to get the ball. This creates a "gap" where the outside mid was which can be covered by the outside back stepping up and the other three defenders sliding over, creating a makeshift 3-4-3. This is a very basic example but most players never think of this as being part of the philosophy of Total Football. I'm sure every team uses pieces of the philosphy in their style of play.

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The funny thing is, Johan Cruyff once equated Total Football to Simple Soccer, he summed up Total Football like this: 'Simple football is the most beautiful. But playing simple football is the hardest thing.'

Just one more reason to Keep It Simple Soccer!

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Total football is just one tactic and it isn't the best, otherwise the Netherlands may have won a world cup, and the top teams would be using it now.
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Total football is just one tactic and it isn't the best, otherwise the Netherlands may have won a world cup, and the top teams would be using it now.
Actually Total Football is (as iwannagopro put it) almost impossible to play against when done properly. The reason it is not used by professional teams is that players are specialist nowadays and have neither the rounded ability or the fitness and work ethic to play total football.

:cry: They just don't make players like Neeskens, Krol and Cruyff anymore. :cry:

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