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Posted: 14 Apr 2007, 18:56
by alonso
Club: Kuzack
Country: Cech
Both: Cech

Posted: 14 Apr 2007, 19:00
by rzadzinski
You really think Kuszczak is that good? He's not even a starter for Man U., not just yet.

Cech isn't too great with the Czech's either. (WC 2006)

Just my opinion though.

Posted: 14 Apr 2007, 22:41
by gnarlyjim
powell wrote:
gnarlyjim wrote:Club: Buffon
Country: Buffon
Both: Casillas
sorry gnalry but i found this funny. You think buffon is the best keeper for his club and his country but not for both :lol:
Yeah, what I was trying to do was think of a keeper that was one of the best for his club and his country, and I didn't want to say Buffon again. :wink:

Posted: 15 Apr 2007, 00:04
by ballackfan
Sorry to say, but I don't think you've seen enough of Dida. He's nowhere near a Cech or Buffon. Dida's great at stopping penalties, but he makes to many mistakes during games to be up there with top couple/few guys in world.
If you talking about mistakes then you have to account the defense of the team. Yes, you're probably right, I haven't seen much of Dida, but I do watched Serie A, especially Milan, are some of the most exciting team to watch. As you say, he make mistakes, who doesn't?

How I rate a goalkeeper is that I looked other qualities besides how many mistakes and not take my conclusion on how bad he is. It certain that a goalkeeper can not always be able to keep cleansheets. How I see it being between the posts isn't the most easiest job in the world. I believed Dida is a real talented goalkeeper, despite the fact of his performance this year. There can not be just a reason that a team loses because the keeper can not save from spectacular strike or a great effort goal. It is foolish to look how good a keeper is that way.

Posted: 15 Apr 2007, 00:37
by gnarlyjim
ballackfan wrote:the keeper can not save from spectacular strike or a great effort goal. It is foolish to look how good a keeper is that way.
Is it? In my opinion, a better keeper will be able to save that spectacular strike.

In fact, that is precisely the way I judge a keeper... how well he does at keeping the ball out of the net, of course with other little things mixed in there.

Posted: 15 Apr 2007, 03:25
by ballackfan
Maybe my words are too hard to understand. The situation of a goal being scored. No goalkeeper should be blamed due to the fact that spectacular strike 'scored'. Yes, you considering saving spectacular strike are great, but what I mean is that goal being scored on, considered spectacular, shouldn't label the keeper. Even if the simplest of goals scored shouldn't label the keeper either, sometimes a simple goal are clever, surprise, creative. But then stats tend to tell everything so vague.

Example of a keeper, Carnizares. A well-known keeper in Spain and Europe, due to his experience and his ability, just can't seem keep the ball out of the net. Even with a simplest of goals. Same can be said for many other well-knowns such as Casillas, Kahn, Buffon, or Cech. Even with the simplest strike, they just can't save. Maybe that may clarify what I'm trying to say.

Posted: 15 Apr 2007, 03:27
by gnarlyjim
Alright, I understand what you're saying. Thanks for the clarification. :wink:

Posted: 15 Apr 2007, 22:33
by milanese
ballackfan wrote:
Sorry to say, but I don't think you've seen enough of Dida. He's nowhere near a Cech or Buffon. Dida's great at stopping penalties, but he makes to many mistakes during games to be up there with top couple/few guys in world.
If you talking about mistakes then you have to account the defense of the team. Yes, you're probably right, I haven't seen much of Dida, but I do watched Serie A, especially Milan, are some of the most exciting team to watch. As you say, he make mistakes, who doesn't?

How I rate a goalkeeper is that I looked other qualities besides how many mistakes and not take my conclusion on how bad he is. It certain that a goalkeeper can not always be able to keep cleansheets. How I see it being between the posts isn't the most easiest job in the world. I believed Dida is a real talented goalkeeper, despite the fact of his performance this year. There can not be just a reason that a team loses because the keeper can not save from spectacular strike or a great effort goal. It is foolish to look how good a keeper is that way.
It's the number and timing of mistakes that makes the difference. Do you see Buffon or Cech make mistakes in vital points of the game. I know I don't. Dida does have talent, I can't argue there, but I don't see him really improving at this point in his career. Personally, I don't get the sort of confidence I feel at the back when there's a guy like Buffon back there. Someone who organizes the defence, makes key saves, and avoids brain cramps that cost the team.

Posted: 27 Apr 2007, 14:17
by jcdenton
It really is interesting how the U.S. has produced so many quality keepers in relation to it's small amount of decent field players.
can i add just a small comment...
Serbian goalkeeper coach Milutin Soskic has been US national team GK coach since 1993...
maybe that's why, they learn from the best... :wink:

btw, he's my friends grandfather...

Posted: 27 Apr 2007, 14:22
by belija91
jcdenton every post with you has something to do with serbia lol

Posted: 27 Apr 2007, 14:58
by jcdenton
belija91 wrote:jcdenton every post with you has something to do with serbia lol
but everything is true...
what can i do, i cannot go anywhere outside Serbia because i need visa even to go to Bulgaria or Romania, but only 15 years ago Serbia was decades in front of these countries...
so i live in my small world posting about all the things i know... :wink:

Posted: 28 Apr 2007, 15:14
by Real_Zidane
jcdenton wrote:
belija91 wrote:jcdenton every post with you has something to do with serbia lol
but everything is true...
what can i do, i cannot go anywhere outside Serbia because i need visa even to go to Bulgaria or Romania, but only 15 years ago Serbia was decades in front of these countries...
so i live in my small world posting about all the things i know... :wink:

EF wouldn't be the same without it. :D

Posted: 28 Apr 2007, 17:38
by jcdenton
Real_Zidane wrote: EF wouldn't be the same without it. :D
thanks :wink:

Posted: 28 Apr 2007, 17:47
by dareliss
i think kahn is preety good for hes age.

Posted: 29 Apr 2007, 12:21
by belija91
lol yeh true I see your point. But what do you mean "decades in front of these countries" decades in front in what?