klc123 wrote:United are having a bad patch, but as nick said, they are a shadow of the team that won the european cup a few seasons back, which is unfortunate really.
Ferguson is not an idiot, but he is not God either. He needs time and patience to create a world beating side, as would any manager. The problem is they have owners sapping money out of the club and they are neglecting to buy quality players to replace quality players. When Ronaldo left we bought Valencia...Don't get me wrong, Valencia is a great player, but we are talking about a different calibre of player at that level.
I think the problem with the premier league at the moment is that all the clubs are getting worse...Look at liverpool two years ago and look at them now...The top teams that seems to be making leaps and bounds are Arsenal and Tottenham, and that is because their youth systems are two of the best in the country, and both their managers respectively are two of the best in the world at bringing in young talent.
I know you get into some hussy with others on the board so I come in peace, and that goes for everyone. But i disagree.
Firstly for the past 15 years..in terms of overall squad depth and quality has gone, SAF hasnt really gone wrong. Sure Valencia is no Ronaldo but you dont need a Ronaldo. You need a player that can fit into what the manager wants, be consistent and most importantly gel with the squad. In most cases a Ronaldo is needed to win the league. But Man U have plenty, as do Real Madrid and Man City, and I dont see them on any trophies. SAF is a knob to me, but brilliant. He makes good players great players by letting them adapt and be so comfortable and fluent in the line up and team they play to the best of their ability.
Secondly the Premier League is only getting stronger mate. Liverpool have been steady eddys really for years. Sure we came close 2 years ago we werent good enough. Drawing consecutively vs Stoke aint gonna win you anything. We stuffed around with Alonso and co but we went from dancing in the street to hiding under the covers. We didnt get worse at dancing....we were just under the covers...and we are gonna go out and dance again. Liverpool doesnt falter like that, neither will many top 4 teams.
And Arsenal havent been that great all year, and Tottenham have been wobbly, hell I havent seen the Man U of recent seasons come out yet but they sure as hell are getting the results.
Tottenham dont have a youth system of great calibre sorry. They just buy other players.
And Arsenal have a great picture of nurturing youth but....i have never seen it flourish. Only really been impressed with Fabregas growth and West Hams Wilshere. Djorou aswell perhaps.
In England brilliant youth systems IMHO are, Liverpool, Everton, Newcastle, West Ham, Middlesborough, Southampton.
Even Man U have a decent system
Ajax and Barca overseas are great too just to mention some.
When a team splashes millions on a Ramsey or Walcott...it doesnt really strike me as 'what a youth set up'