2brown347 wrote:I'm sorry Panchester but a 1 or 2 goal win can be blamed on the coach, anything above that goes to the players.
I've noticed you tend to support teams with a blind eye to their problems then when they fail pull a full 180 and start thrashing the reason you feel they failed. Maybe if you listened to people, took into account the teams flaws and had a realistic view to start with you wouldn't get so worked up when failure happens.
Ignoring flaws in a team doesn't make you a better supporter at all. Look at Ratherton who supports his teams to a higher degree than anyone else on the forum. Although he has confidence and faith in his teams he realizes their flaws and when they fail because of those flaws puts his focus on how to fix that, not turn on his teams.
Just some food for thought since this isn't the first time you've supported a team as blindly as Argentina and reacted as harshly when they failed. It's truely just a game, nothing to get as worked up as yourself over.
Mistake brown, big mistake a 1-2 goal difference goes to the players, a 4-0 difference clearly maeans the coach organized the team the wrong way, 2-1 : Maybe the striker could have finished better, maybe they had to play the man that was alone, but 4-0 specially at this level, clearly means tactical helplessness and disorganization..
When have i overreacted ? Besides brazil when have I overreacted? What's your point I admited the team had more flaws than I'd seen? Why are you bringing that up now? Do you just want to feel good about yourself, feed your ego? If its just game i'd appreciate you talk about the game, not about me, since honestly the only time i've become upset is the day that brazil lost, and the rest i've admited i was wrong like a man.
Besides the 1st point you made, which is wrong by the way, I don't get what you mean, or try to say, and if yourr talking about the defense, then we talked about that yesterday, I admited it flaws, and bringing it up again really makes it sound like you need a dose of self-esteem. Last, Demicheliis which you said would make mistakes and how he was shaky didn't seem shakey at all, in fact he was the most solid. If you want me to, ill bring that up like your doing right now.
Germany won the game well, and played brilliantly, but Argentina was doomed to fail lined up this way and with the strategies Maradona imposed, they weren't so great vs Mexico, and it took individual inspirations to get those 3 goals in. Maradona can't expect to win the world cup just through individualites, and specially if you don't give these individualities the right line up, starting with a good central midfielder with vision that acts as an organizer. otamendi sucked as well.
The whole Media is talking about Maradona leaving, how a 2-1 is acceptable, but a 4-0 is just mock, and how he needs to leave in spite of having a contract till 2011. He made to many mistakes and knows nothing tactically, he depended on Messi way to much and put to much presusre on him. Argentina had the players, not the tactics. Maybe with Zannetti, Cambiasso, Riquelme, Veron, Samuel (on the pitch) they still couldn't have beaten germany, but 4-0 is never an acceptable result for Argentina, be it Germany, Brazil or Spain. 4-0 is not the difference between the two countries footbalistically, it will always be a close battle, and when its not, you know somethings wrong, like Maradona this time. The difference between the two is never this abysmal, and Mexico uncovered many weaknesses in Argentina, you could see this coming. The weaknesses that they uncovere though, weren't defensive, they where from the midfield and ahead to be 100% frank with you.
Just saying, one's been champion of the world 2 times, exports players to the best league, where they shine and win individual recognitions and trophies, and help their team conquer championships. The other one has been champion of the world 3 times, and is always big, all their players play in their league and thats a huge plus. At the end of the day theres not that much difference between the two. You just can see Argentina wasnt a team that had possesion flow, that had decent tactics or strategies.
Germany was more than good, but Argentina was crappy and disorganized since the day they started playing without Veron, and played Maxi. On the other hand Spain is a team with tactics, organization, possesion flow, and a FEW players that play as organized. If Germany rapes Spain which I highly doubt, then you where right and its "the player", but if not, then all along the credit for the loss goes to Maradona and his awful tactics.