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Post by 2brown347 » 30 Jun 2010, 03:55

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Some one please snap that Spanish defenders legs in half and make sure he NEVER plays football again.

I honestly wish someone would end his career.

If i was on the pitch, as a portuguese player, knowing I was going out and we had a player sent off before of that cheating wanker, I would just snap his legs with the most disgusting two footed challenge the world has ever seen off the ball, and then celebrate to the crowd as I got sent off.
I have to say this post surprised me after you've relentlessly supported/defended the sports biggest cheat many time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckuCB2sB0q0
at about 12 sec. you can see the elbow being thrown, but there isn't really a good angle to see if there was contact. The truth is Costa was working his way to a yellow well before the card. Even if contact wasn't made the ref may have saw intent in it being thrown and given the red for that.


Either way I think Spains lost a little thunder since the Euros. I'll be interesting to see how they do when they face the Germans or Argies.



I have to state that I was happy that cr7 only touched the ball like 6 times, expecially since half those touches were free kicks and half the other touches involved him falling down.

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Post by shahensha » 30 Jun 2010, 06:44

lol yeah, ramos, pique, puyol, capdevila, busquets and iniesta all had him covered and suffocated.

So in 2006 cronaldo gave us the smug wink.......In 2010 he gave us the disappointed spit........in 2014, blood anyone? :wink: :lol:
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shahensha wrote:I am not sure. After watching Llorente Id rather have him play. His height and ball control could prove very useful against Brazillians.
I'd go with David Silva and Iniesta in support of Villa instead of a 2 striker system.
Yeah the 2 striker system is not really working out for spain with Torres at the helm. Silva is a great player but when he is in the middle or the left. He appeared to be one of the weakest links for Spain in their opener against Switzerland when he was positioned on the right wing.

Iniesta could play on the right wing like he did at the euro but he is better on the left and center like Silva. He hasnt had much of an oppurtunity to play on the right wing for barca. It kinda gets tricky and difficult to work with the right wing here IMO. Navas makes good dribbles but they are wasted by his crosses. I feel Pedro would be a good choice for RW because he was even better when switched there at barca, however he doesnt have any international experience.

Villa drifts on the left wing alot and thats when he looks extremely deadly (lol and us barca faithfuls were still worrying about a left winger for no reason :lol: )

There is not really an assured right winger for Spain that i can write down. So far, Ramos has taken authority of the whole right flank and has ironically been pulling off stalwart performances on the wing, with his physical defending and deft attacking runs.


I hope Del Bosque gives Llorente a start in the relatively easy game against Paraguay. Granted he doesnt have much experience either, it would be to just test the waters. Llorente's towering presence could open up space for Villa to drift about and continue being a menace on the left wing, while Ramos hopefully does the same on the right wing.
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Post by panchester07 » 30 Jun 2010, 14:03

haha ronaldo doesn't need thsee players to cover him, he seriously covers himself in portugal. commentators here in panama were like "who's this, is he playing?", or "woah, he touched it, was he on the field" not because he tried and got blocked by the defense, simply because he was invisble,everclear,absent! the mexican commentators that have taken control of spanish espn and fox sports were joking "after costa's red card portugal played with 10, wait, with 9 on the field" in all games, he seriously has to do something about that. He can't be one of the best in the world with his club( we all know he's the best with club's) and be nobody with portugal. is it that they don't pay him? I doubt a person as ambitious as him cares so little about his national team, but I think in Madrid, in Manchester, he is/was key, the fear of everybody etc, and in portugal people just think give this guy the ball because he sucs....... he sucks with portugal, he simply sucks...!
I hope Del Bosque gives Llorente a start in the relatively easy game against Paraguay. Granted he doesnt have much experience either, it would be to just test the waters. Llorente's towering presence could open up space for Villa to drift about and continue being a menace on the left wing, while Ramos hopefully does the same on the right wing.
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This parragraph is just so true that it makes me laugh.. Llorente was awesome yesterday, and he was alone between 4 portuguese men, do the same vs paraguay, and villa might get a hattrick, or not, but will play with space and freely, and Llorente might get his own, which yesterday vs Portugal I might even dare to say he deserves...
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Post by Evan » 30 Jun 2010, 17:34

Llorente is a class Target Man IMO. I've watched Athletic Bilbao play many a time and he is exactly what you look for in the big man up front. His heading skills are extremely good tbh.
On a different note everyone's pretty good with women when it comes to hookers... well except the sham-wow guy.
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Post by panchester07 » 30 Jun 2010, 18:35

Just a note neutrally and without any intentions of attacking anybody, I just wanted to confront a common idea that people have, believe it if you wish, ignore it, whatever.

Just because Demichelis has made mistakes when he has to make a pass doesn't mean he is a bad DEFENDER- Defensively I consider him to be very complete - reffering to agresiveness, 50 - 50 balls, 1 v 1, marking, aerial challenges, stealing of balls, intercepetion of passes and all those traits that make a good defender. Just because he has made mistakes offensively, does not mean Klose will just dribble by him with ease everytime, NO, he's a great defender, and he'll give hell to anyone that'll try to win a header, beat him, make a pass close to him, etc.- Its when he has to pass or dribble outside, basically excess of confidence or lack of concentration that he commits the mistakes that are enourmous to the team. But this lack of concentration is the type that happens to a normal player once every full moon and to a world class profesional how many times can it happen? I don't really think he's that bad, to make 2 misrtakes of this similarity in 3 matches. Also, the fact that it already happened is great news, this will make him more aware and concentrated so it doesn't happen again, you don't make mistakes so big twice. And its that all he has to do is make a short pass to anybody, he could give it to samuel, 5 meter pass, or to otamendi, 7 meter pass, just in short to heinze, 10 meter pass, or to mascherano 7.4 meter pass- He needs not to dribble 2 and make a through ball to Higuian to come out playing. He's capable enough to make a short pass to somebody or else he'd play in the 9th league of Uzbekistaan, no offense, but a short pass is the easiest skill there is. He's a good defender and I've stated why above, and in the situation where he makes mistakes he wont be making them simply because after making it vs Korea, he will be much more aware and focused when coming out. If he hadn't made the mistake he usually makes I'd be much more worried. There, you have why he's a good defender , and you have the reason that has 100% logic to why when he comes out playing he'll be sharp. Shahensa explained brilliantly how he is the weak link of Argentina and why he gave the whole defense bad reputation, but the fact that he's a good enough defender, that he'll be sharp when he has to come out, and lastly that he knows the german's like the palm of his hand, will make him be at the level requiered to play this match. He will be as strong as all the other defenders and imo will make this defense a capable one to win this withstand the German attack.


Hope so, and we'll see.
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Post by shahensha » 30 Jun 2010, 21:21

Thats true. We can even apply it to the analogy of quiz and final exams. If you fu** up on a quiz, you can learn from that mistake and do it right on the exam. Granted Demichles learns from his mistake and focuses hard, he could avoid failure. Also, his experience from applying his trade in Germany coud be very crucial here. Who knows, he may be very familiar with Podolski and Klose's qualities from training with them in bayern?

I mean look at Messi's almost anonymous performance against Mexico. There are many theories as to why. One was that Messi needs atleast one CM on the pitch to break down a defence his way. The other was that Marquez had marked him out for long periods of time. It may be one of the two or both combined, it still goes to show that training with a player is the best way to stop them, even if they voted as the best in the world.

I am very hopeful too. Id love to see an Argentina vs Spain showdown.
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Post by Wanderer » 01 Jul 2010, 17:33

There's two types of defending in footy, first type is without the ball, second type is with the ball.

The most common type is without the ball, you see english teams and italian teams doing it often. Last ditch tackles, brave headers, putting your body on the line to block a shot, all these are examples of defending without the ball.

Then, there's the not so general type of defending, with the ball. This type of defending is usually based on a simple logic. The opponents cant attack without the ball. Spanish teams use it, Cruyff was a main creator of it, hence Barcelona using it.

The only thing required for this kind of defending is possesion. Basically, keep the ball, dont let the opposition have it, and they cant attack. Argentina use this kind of defending, hence, this put much less pressure on their backline. So they rarely concede

The only time their defence was penetrated was when they defended without the ball(Mexico), when they didnt have it, they're not masters of that type of defending.

They are specialists of defending with the ball. So I think if they wanna concede less against the Germans, the defenders isnt all that important, whats important is they need to be able to keep the ball.

I see the way Barcelona get the ball back and Argentina is the same tho, once the opposition gets the ball, have three nearest players pressure him or her. Two to cut of channels of passing, one to get the ball back. This type of gettin the ball back isnt reliant on defenders either, its reliant on teamwork(the whole team) and organization.

Basically, defending with the ball doesnt require great defenders, all it requires is the ability of the whole team to keep possesion, and teamwork. And thats wat Argentina specialize in, possesion and teamwork. Thats the way the Argies defend. And the reason why they concede little despite having not so good defenders.

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Post by 2brown347 » 01 Jul 2010, 18:03

True, but once they face quality sides that don't allow them a the possession their back line will be tested.

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Post by panchester07 » 01 Jul 2010, 21:16

We'll see about that. You've been saying that since the group stage. Anyways the defence is a pretty solid one and I've said why so... Till saturday
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Post by Hugh » 01 Jul 2010, 23:54

Again. Lone greek striker getting some very very good opportunities against the argentines literally by himself, we've seen that the Germans know how to play a counter attack effectively in the 4-1 arse kicking of the english so I doubt that klose is going to be starved of opportunities to score goals on the shaky argentine defence.

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Post by panchester07 » 01 Jul 2010, 23:57

Dude, Samaras had 1 chance that was blocked by the central defender and thats about it. I don't know where you get the impression that he was even close to scoring, watch the highlights man ;)
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Post by 2brown347 » 02 Jul 2010, 00:11

Instead of watching the highlights I watch the game, and saw exactly what Hugh saw. We'll see in 2 days.

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Post by panchester07 » 02 Jul 2010, 01:06

I watched the game as well buddy, then I watched the analisis, and then I watched the highlight, and I didn't see that. But I'm disregarding whatever you say cause whatever reasons I give you, you still look for the bad side, and highlight it, now its the greek dude, before it was a million things. A million things that haven't become truth, a million things that I proved myth... Sure buddy, its okay, its okay man Germany will put in 5, because we are shaky, :lol:

Joachim Low: "They have a good defense, but their attack is their attack is incredible. With Messi, Tevez, and Higuian they have the best offense in the world".

But its all good - When he said good, he probably meant shaky, right?
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Post by Hugh » 02 Jul 2010, 01:25

panchester07 wrote:I watched the game as well buddy, then I watched the analisis, and then I watched the highlight, and I didn't see that.
Lets cut the bulls**t.

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Post by panchester07 » 02 Jul 2010, 01:26

I don't want Maxi Rodriguez as a playmaker man :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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