Listen, you can say what you want about "unintelligent" people just because they believe in something like me. I am not going to try to continue this because i see it is pointless. One last thing to say and i won't reply again.
Of course you will commit sins but if you accept Jesus into your heart, you can be forgiven from him.
If you reject Jesus as the son of God yes you will go to hell because he IS the son of God. My belief is that he is anyway.
If you murder someone and you ask forgivness yes you will be forgiven in God's eyes. Of course you will pay a penalty here on Earth but in God's eyes you will be forgiven if you mean it.
J, if you can't see what a sin is, then you are truly blind. ANYONE can tell what is a sin and if they cannot, then they are spiritually blind. People expect eternal life because it has PROMISED to them if they accept Jesus into their heart and strive to be like him(though no one can, you still must try). Rejecting him and saying he isn't real, saying God isn't real, ect. doesn't do any good for you and saying to others and trying to convince them that God isn't real is even worse.
As for the priest thing and in John, i don't see ANYTHING saying about giving modern day priests that. Look, if you accept Jesus into your heart, you become a saint because you did that. I know to a lot of people it sounds strange but its true.
Christianity was made by God. Jesus was jewish and then betrayed by the Jewish people. Islam was invented by man.
How can God die? Wow. So i guess the whole thing about Jesus saying he is God's son means nothing. Jesus was a man and died for our sins and went to hell for it. That's why he resurrected a few days AFTER his death.
I NEVER said that people can become perfect. I stated CLEARLY that if you accept Jesus into your heart, he can forgive your sins if you mean it. I NEVER said you can become perfect or sinless. Having sex before you are married is a sin, being homosexual is a sin too. I am sure many of you will get angry at that(not that you guys are gay but just because being is a sin you'll probably get angry) but no where in the bible does it state that two men can be together. If you hate your parents, you are a sinner. NO ONE IS PERFECT AND I NEVER SAID YOU CAN BE. Accepting Jesus is just a step to trying to be like him which is what ALL should try to do.( Not trying to be a God, but to be a good person). Using God's name in vain is a sin. (For example, 'God damn it'. That is a sin. I know i know i just said that but i can ask forgivness for it especially since i am trying to explain something to all of you.)
If you can give me proof that the 'tradition continues' of humans forgiving sins and acting as God, then so be it.
floater, you are right that a debate should agree with thought and intellect but with religion, that is impossible because some people see me, and every other christian, as idiots and fanatics with a devotion to something we cannot see. As a matter of fact, people see every religion that way.
But don't think of it as religion anymore. Think of it as accepting Jesus into your heart and asking HIS forgivness, and trying to be a good person. THAT IS IT. Forget the word 'christian' and catholic' and 'muslim' and 'jewish'. Just accept him into your heart, ask his forgivness whenever you sin, and try to be a good person and try to show people Jesus and try to show them how good he is. That is it, forget the religious names.
Another thing about the praying, why don't you just simply ask God for forgivness? EVERYONE has that power of asking him for forgivness so you should use it.
LYM, when you merely believe what does it make you? When you merely believe in God? In someone you cannot see, hear, only feel? When you believe in it so strongly that you would rather die than reject him? It's called faith. That is what its all about. LYM i respect you as an intellect as i myself am also and i have read Plato but God is someone i BELIEVE in. I do not need science because i had an experience earlier in my life. You may say that people who 'believe' become murderers and suicide bombers, ect. But not if you believe in God because you will know what is right and wrong. I respect you for what you, for lack a better word to suit you, believe. You can call me whatever you want but i believe in what i believe in because i had experience that changed me. Maybe you will one day too who knows. I respect you LYM i really do because i know where you are coming from because i have read Plato, Sartre, Nietzche(spelling), so i know. I read these to get a better understanding of everything because i am that way but when you know God, you need not read those because everything becomes so clear. LYM and J, i leave here as a friend.
That is all i have to say. I hope to leave this discussion with more friends than enemies. If anyone has a question or insult for me, PM me. Thanks for listening and responding, and God bless all of you.