MikeTheMadKeeper wrote:A monkey will do it on instinct if it is told to do it over and over and over again. If the command to do it is "Backflip" or something, it will do it because it has learned it. I never see a trained animal NOT do something it is trained to do. And as for eating, a dog will eat on instinct because it is hungry. A human will not because people have starved themselves(fasting. or just to die or to prove a point).
Pretty much, if you give a starving person a plate of food, they can choose not to eat it. If you give a starving animal food, it will eat it.( unless it is sick or something).
And J, if you want to consider yourself an ape and an animal you can go right ahead. I don't think of humans as animals because we are not. And by the way, ANYTHING can't be taught something but when taught and trained, a drug dog will not just say , "No i don't want to sniff out drugs". Because as far as i know, when the dog is told to do it, it will do it. After being taught it so much, it BECOMES instinct when told to do it. If you play soccer long enough and do certain things long enough( Like a certain little move when someone tries to take the ball from you) it becomes instinct because you are so used to doing it you don't think about it. Only difference, you can choose to do something else than that but a dog can only drug sniff and has no choice in the matter. When it hears the command, it acts on instinct that, "Oh, the 'go on boy, find it' command means i gotta find some drugs, better get to it." Bad example but thats my point. J, if someone tells you, "J, go and attack that person!" You can choose not to based on morals or anything of that sort. A dog or animal trained to do it or born with it will do it on insinct.
J, you are right that it is a learned behavior but when is the last time you saw a drug dog NOT sniff for drugs when people told them to. If they had free will, they could choose not to and yet they listen ALL the time. Learning is not a sign of free will because as i said, if animals couldn't learn, they would be dead.
I don't believe that we evolved from apes or monkeys becasue we didn't. We evolved right next to monkeys as our own species. It's been proven over and over again. I do not consider myself an ape.
You can think all you want that we are not animals, but the fact is that we are. Just because our adaptation is our brain doesn't mean we are not an animal. We are mammals. It's like saying a cheetah isn't an "animal" just because it can run at about 60 mph or how ever fast they can run.
To be honest there is really no difference in what you want to call us because we are what we are. The word isn't going to change that.
There is really no point in debating this any further because obviously you believe very much in your religon and I have a very different view on things.
But let me just ask you this real quick. If you need to know Jesus and believe in him to have eternal life and go to "heaven" and all that, then what does some kid do if he lives out in the middle of nowhere and has never been taught about Jesus or even heard of who he is? Does that mean he doesn't get the chance at "eternal life"?