Nat_H wrote:I don't see how you can have any moral code or a conscience without a God. Anyways, morality in society today has religious roots.
To be honest I find it kind of offensive when religious people say stuff like this; it's like there's a pervasive attitude in evangelical religions that non-religious people are not whole or complete because they don't believe in god. I'm sure that it's not intentional but so often it sounds condescending when I'm being asked if I have "acknowledged my lord and saviour" or when people talk about pitying those who "haven't found their faith" or have "lost their way".
How can I have a moral code or a conscience without a God? I do what I think is right, that's my moral code. If other people don't like my morals well tough nuggets, we all have the same code in general: that's what forms the basis of law but outside of that general definition I just do what I think is right.
Point in case: pre-marital sex.
The bible quite clearly believes that pre-marital sex is morally wrong and I disagree. Between consenting parties there is nothing wrong with pre-marital sex, group sex, gay sex, oral sex, anal sex or whatever weird and kinky sh*t you're into. According to God gay sex is similar to murder in that they're both morally reprehensible actions, but to be honest it doesn't affect me and even if it did I doubt that I'd feel like a bad person for having gay sex so no, I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.
I don't understand how you can be a moral person if you follow a school of thought that is constantly intolerant and discriminatory towards a sizeable segment of the population and that has in the past encouraged war, torture, slavery and sexism.
Of the two religious affiliations I think that the moral standing of Christianity is a lot more questionable than that of Atheism.
EDIT: I would also echo what matt said about atheism not being a matter of faith. If Stephen Hawking came out tomorrow and showed everyone proof of a higher power then I would accept that; I'm not opposed to the idea of a higher power, I just don't think that there is any credible evidence that there is one.