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I see people here very eager to talk about this topic. And the discussions are fascinating!The discussions start in random threads...I remember one started in the Barack Obama thread and another in the Worldcup thread!

So I thought I would make a thread where everyone here can post their thoughts on the topic. Please post your thoughts here and please make sure it is written coherently( you know grammar,spelling,paragraphs etc)because it helps in having a proper discussion take place and also its easy on the eyes!

So which system for a country,in your opinion, is the best and why?
Simple enough.

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Let the arguments BEGIN!
On a different note everyone's pretty good with women when it comes to hookers... well except the sham-wow guy.
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These topics are a bit too volitile and pointless

Like some of the main contributers are way to conservative and backward to ever let the debate go anywhere (No names)

And other main contributers have way to many glorified ideas in their head on how to save the world to ever give the debate any substance (Well... Myself for one)

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"How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."
-- Ronald Reagan

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NewBornProdigy wrote:These topics are a bit too volitile and pointless

Like some of the main contributers are way to conservative and backward to ever let the debate go anywhere (No names)

And other main contributers have way to many glorified ideas in their head on how to save the world to ever give the debate any substance (Well... Myself for one)
Ya but so what if it is volatile? I remember reading a lot of interesting points brought up even though I necessarily don't agree with them. I wanted it all to be in one place...instead of in random threads. Anyway this thread is such a fail... :oops:

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terminator wrote:
NewBornProdigy wrote:These topics are a bit too volitile and pointless

Like some of the main contributers are way to conservative and backward to ever let the debate go anywhere (No names)

And other main contributers have way to many glorified ideas in their head on how to save the world to ever give the debate any substance (Well... Myself for one)
Ya but so what if it is volatile? I remember reading a lot of interesting points brought up even though I necessarily don't agree with them. I wanted it all to be in one place...instead of in random threads. Anyway this thread is such a fail... :oops:
I'm not saying we shouldn't debate... I'm saying these are volatile topics, so they will remain dead, then explode in a flurry of static arguments, then die again, and continue the cycle

The religion thread has 100+ pages of this
"How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."
-- Ronald Reagan
I believe that Ronald Reagan can make this country what it once was — an Arctic region covered with ice --- Mort Sahl

Washington couldn't tell a lie, Nixon couldn't tell the truth, and Reagan couldn't tell the difference --- Mort Sahl

We can all dig up bulls**t outdated quotes to support our ideas, really initiative is having our own ideas

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The difference is that Ronald Reagan was a U.S. president, and Mort Sahl is a Canadian-born comedian.

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Nat_H wrote:The difference is that Ronald Reagan was a U.S. president, and Mort Sahl is a Canadian-born comedian.
but what makes what a former Californian actor/US president says more relevant than what a Canadian-born comedian says? In the end, they're just people.
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It doesn't matter because the international bankers control it all. We are all slaves to the New World Order and the soon to be one world government. Soon the middle class will be eradicated and all will be left are the few elite and the the rest will be poor and powerless.
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Croatianblood1 wrote:It doesn't matter because the international bankers control it all. We are all slaves to the New World Order and the soon to be one world government. Soon the middle class will be eradicated and all will be left are the few elite and the the rest will be poor and powerless.
I'm guessing you've watched the Zeitgeist recently.

I agree with pretty much everyone above that said this is probably a bad idea. Typically, people come into these discussions with a previous notion and a closed mind. There's no right or wrong answer, yet that doesn't seem to stop anyone from recruiting someone over to their camp or way of thinking.

If it makes any difference of stating your opinion, I believe the only true way to have a decent structure is a combination of Socialism and Capitalism to cover all the bases of a nation's infrastructure(transportation, education, law enforcement, regulation with a Socialism focus) and innovation/price competition/wealth creation(capitalism) Due to the increasing globalization of trade among nations of multiple structures, it will be very difficult to maintain a pure Socialist or Capitalist or Marxist system and continue success. Just a thought.
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Croatianblood1 wrote:It doesn't matter because the international bankers control it all. We are all slaves to the New World Order and the soon to be one world government. Soon the middle class will be eradicated and all will be left are the few elite and the the rest will be poor and powerless.
I hope you are being sarcastic and know the whole "international bankers" controlling it all is a lot of bull...

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soccer11 wrote:
Nat_H wrote:The difference is that Ronald Reagan was a U.S. president, and Mort Sahl is a Canadian-born comedian.
but what makes what a former Californian actor/US president says more relevant than what a Canadian-born comedian says? In the end, they're just people.
Oh, I do agree. I wouldn't make an Ad Hominem argument and leave it at that. It's just that I do agree with Reagan.

Economics is a science, one that has to be practiced multiple times in different situations, in order to discover its laws. Unfortunately, these experiments are a little difficult to implement. You're messing with whole populations.

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The difference is that Ronald Reagan was a U.S. president, and Mort Sahl is a Canadian-born comedian.
When you look at some of the more recent U.S. presidents, that doesn't say a hell of a lot :lol:

To be honest, this thread will probably never have a proper discussion, because as NBP said, there are too many pricks like me who are very passionate about this topic, and many idiots that are too conservative about the topic, as to not tread on any ones toes. Might as well give it a go though.

To be honest, I think there are three main perspectives on this. Supportive of communism, not really caring, and been American.

In Europe, no one gives a sh*t to be frank, I would be happy living in communism, but I'm not about to go out and join a protest trying to behead the prime minister.

Americans have always had the perspective that Communism is evil and that they must oppose it. The funny thing is that 99% of people don't actually understand communism, least of all the Americans who think they have to go to war with any country that considers it.

So to make my point, I think in a perfect world we would live in Communism/Socialism, what ever you wish to call it, and it would be a sort of Utopia if you like. A place where money and currency do not exist, every one would just work to help each other and live a happy life making ends meet. That is not going to happen unless one major continent becomes extinct, and the rest exterminate the Neanderthals living within our society.

Socialism in my view, is when people live and work for the community in an extremely social environment, in which your goal in life is to not be a greedy piece of sh*t living in new york generating as much cash that you don't need as possible, but you actually live trying to help other people and serve other people whilst still living a content and happy life yourself.

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I agree this will become a pissing contest with time. That said many people from the USA do understand communism, that doesn't mean we have to like it.

I like the right of risk and reward. I know failing is a possibility which would make things difficult but I'd rather fail trying to make something of myself then just be another worker ant.

We all know a society were everyone works for everyone and blah blah blah sounds great, but IMO when you look at it close it isn't all that great.

I'm not really gonna go into detail since we've all said this before and I probably won't post here again but that's my 2 cents.

Then again my opinion isn't worth much since I guess I'm one of the "Neanderthals idiots that are too conservative".

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Your not as dim as I thought, I'll promote you to ignorant and misguided :D

All jokes aside, that wasn't directed at anyone in particular, and if you really wanna be picky, I called myself a prick at the same time.

Risk and reward has nothing to with Capitalism. Capitalism in my opinion places the few lucky in a position to do well in life, and the majority in hell. You can't say African people living in poverty have a fair chance in life, I bet most of those starving kids would take any risk to try and get food every night, never mind get rich like a greedy fu**.

Likewise, risk and reward exists in socialism. You can make something out of your life if you want to take the risk of pursuing it. Whether it is going for a job that you really want, but have very little chance of getting, all the way to asking out the girl that no one has the courage to speak to, there is always going to be risk and reward situations in life, politics doesn't not make a difference.

Just a nice little fact I would like to add in, the reason you like the idea of risk/reward, is because as a young alpha male, you are genetically wired to take risks. In the stone age, it would have been the young males that went out taking risks and nearly dying in an effort to get food.

This is a reason young males are more likely to die in car crashes, because their brain is more programmed to deal with stressful risks and actually gets a buzz from the adrenaline rush from the risk. This causes them to want to speed, and to do dangerous overtaking moves.

Just thought someone might be interested in it lol.

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