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Would you not vote for Barack Obama based on race?

Yes.
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22%
No.
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78%
 
Total votes: 46

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Barack Obama

Post by fr33k1ck » 24 Jul 2008, 12:58

I heard the Europeans love him, but are any of you guys afraid to vote for a black president. I honestly am not, and if I could vote I would vote for him.

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Post by Rome_Leader » 24 Jul 2008, 13:35

I would not base my decision on race either way - for or against, but I would still vote for him - because I think he is as straightforward as politicians get these days. He has good ideas, and at least appears to be out for the good of his country.

I was born a Canadian, and now have my American citizenship... But I still can't vote there yet, so I won't. :p All I'm saying is, people have to stop putting so much clout into his race... Whether they vote FOR him because he's black, because they feel they owe something to his race, or they DON'T vote for him because he is an African-American on racist ideals, neither is the right choice. Vote for him because you like what he stands for politically.

Also, yeah, he seems to be quite popular in Europe. I heard the Germans gave him more then a warm welcome for his keynote.
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Post by arsenalfc08 » 24 Jul 2008, 13:53

No. I have no problem voting for him and I will vote for him. I know some people who do but I just don't associate with them.

I think Obama is great, hell of a lot better than Mccain. I'm sorry but Obama just has that presence about him and Mccain just stands there.

I really hope Obama wins, it really is time for a change. The country has gone to sh*t thanks to Bush and according to him so has wall street (it got drunk, his quote).

Another thing about Mccain that really pissed me off (guys probably wont understand). He didn't vote for a bill to allow insurance companies to cover the cost of birth control (not every women uses it to prevent pregnancy, fyi) but he voted for a bill for viagra. Also Mccain Obama is not the reason for high gas prices!

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Post by 2brown347 » 24 Jul 2008, 13:58

Honestly I'm not voting for Obama due to the fact I think he'd be a terrible president. I think I've posted why somewhere else so if you wanna know just find the other Obama topic. That being said I don't like McCain either, I think it's pathetic that a country like the USA has to pick between to choices as bad as what we are given.

also despite the fact I'm not voting for him it's obvious that he's gonna win due to the fact the a charismatic personality is more important to people then actually politics these days.

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Post by arsenalfc08 » 24 Jul 2008, 14:01

2brown347 wrote:Honestly I'm not voting for Obama due to the fact I think he'd be a terrible president. I think I've posted why somewhere else so if you wanna know just find the other Obama topic. That being said I don't like McCain either, I think it's pathetic that a country like the USA has to pick between to choices as bad as what we are given.

also despite the fact I'm not voting for him it's obvious that he's gonna win due to the fact the a charismatic personality is more important to people then actually politics these days.
thats whats great about democracy. No one forces you to vote, if you don't like any of the candidates then don't vote, its that simple.

I hate how McCain is alwasy like "I was in Vietnam" enough already, we know. It's like becaue he was in vietnam he knows how to handle the war, there 2 different wars you idiot. Times have changed.

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Post by 2brown347 » 24 Jul 2008, 14:17

arsenalfc08 wrote: I hate how McCain is alwasy like "I was in Vietnam" enough already, we know. It's like becaue he was in vietnam he knows how to handle the war, there 2 different wars you idiot. Times have changed.
To be fair McCain himself never talks about how he was in Vietnam, like most POW's and when he does it's in a negitive light. He's not like Kerry who spent a couple months there and then based his entire campaign on it. McCain has political experience, but people use the whole "all he has is Vietnam" which isn't true and he himself doesn't talk about much

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Post by barcahooligan » 24 Jul 2008, 14:23

i fear that there is still too much racism in the U.S to elect a black president, the younger generations are the ones that are much more openminded but most of them will not vote because there lazy and are not interested in voting(sad but true). The people that will vote are the boomers and the 1st generation Americans that grew up through the Civil Rights Era and have views and opinions that would rather elect McCain over Obama........

the only way i see Obama getting elected is if he chooses Clinton as his running mate, they would appeal to all minorites as well as the superrich black and white of America......personally i think Clinton would screw this country up big time, and if anything ever happened to Obama then we would be fu**ed big time....... :shock:


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Post by arsenalfc08 » 24 Jul 2008, 14:26

I just don't feel McCain is very mentally fit to be a president. Yes he is in fine physical health but theres no way he couldn't be battling some demons inside from being a POW/ in the war. I mean soldiers are coming back from Iraq with PTSD (somethin that wasn't even diagnosed in Vietnam as no one knew what it was yet).

I'm just worried if McCain becomes president that the war will be prolonged. Were not even looking for Bin Laden anymore isn't that why the whole war started (i don't really remember why it started as I was only in like 7th grade when it started). It's time for the troops (all of them) to come home.

I like Obama he has great presence, he just lights up a room, and I think he really cares about issues important to me. Poverty (look at what he did in Chicago), Education (honeslty I love how he and his wife both, worked their way through college and just a few months ago finished paying off thier loans, its makes them more identifiable). He wants to get rid of "No Child left Behind" which is great. I did a project for school comparing no child with schools in Europe and I tell you, I wish I lived in Europe after it, in terms of Education

I'm not a real big fan of politics but I'm just happy Bush is gone. He's a horrible president, no wonder no one likes Americans.

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Post by barcahooligan » 24 Jul 2008, 14:32

id like to see Obama/Edwards, both are hardworking down-to-earth people(minus the Edwards $400 haircut) :shock: .......
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Post by Rome_Leader » 24 Jul 2008, 14:58

Think is, a military career is a big vote pusher in the U.S. Nobody can argue that, and McCain is just playing off what he believes to be one of his selling points. As evident by John 'I WAS IN VIET CAWNG' Kerry.
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Post by arsenalfc08 » 24 Jul 2008, 15:11

Rome_Leader wrote:Think is, a military career is a big vote pusher in the U.S. Nobody can argue that, and McCain is just playing off what he believes to be one of his selling points. As evident by John 'I WAS IN VIET CAWNG' Kerry.
Yeah my US history teacher always said we have been partial to candidates with military experience (washington, jfk,etc). But just because McCain was in the war doesn't mean i'm going to vote for him. I mean Bush was in the military (air national guard I think) a lot of good that did him.

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Post by Rome_Leader » 24 Jul 2008, 15:14

Not that anyone should. But you're right, you'd be hard pressed to find a president who's military experience, supposing he had any at all, was not the forefront of his campaign. Obama has none, and while some, such as McCain, might consider this a weakness, most look at it as a strength, as he is left to focus on the issues.

Slightly less philosophically... McCain is an old bastard, no matter what anyone says. :P Suppose he has a stroke or kicks the can before too long in office, what will you do then?! O_O Bi-election? Or do ya pull a Millard Fillmore?
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Post by BGbeast23 » 24 Jul 2008, 15:47

I honestly think if Obama gets elected, he will end up being assasinated. That's just the way it will go in my mind. If he goes through the South, I fear that the same thing will happen to him as JFK. Either that or if Hilary is chosen as VP, she will have him assasinated such as many other officials who were murdered (or mysteriously "died of natural causes" as the Clintons put it) during the Clinton Administration.

I'm kinda split in this race as I think that neither will be that great, but I'm leaning toward McCain a bit just because I know that he'll most likely either keep the Nation the way it is or improve its state a bit, but won't send us into complete Armageddon so to speak. With Obama, I'm not really 100% sure what kind of president he will be, and I'm a a little afraid of that. Plus, I do not like his stand on homosexuality at all. I believe that homsexuality is completely immoral and it says so in the Bible that it is an abomination in God's sight. I'm really fearing that he may lead this country to become like Isreal. If you think about it, God has blessed us in the same way and we are going in the wrong direction just as they did and look at where they are now.

For a VP, I'm hoping Al Gore will be chosen, but I'm not too sure that will happen.

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Post by Wanderer » 24 Jul 2008, 16:43

tbh, I was pretty surprised to see 2/3 of the vote(here) against Obama. I'm not an american(aussie in malaysia), but from what I read about Obama, he's a hardworking, driven guy with an open mind and a firm stand against racism, all of which are good qualitities for a leader. Of course, I don't pay much attention to the U.S. politics so I don't know much bout the other politicians there but I do think he would be a pretty good choice(although I am also against the homosexuality thingy).

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Post by 2brown347 » 25 Jul 2008, 00:02

Wanderer wrote:tbh, I was pretty surprised to see 2/3 of the vote(here) against Obama. I'm not an american(aussie in malaysia), but from what I read about Obama, he's a hardworking, driven guy with an open mind and a firm stand against racism, all of which are good qualitities for a leader. Of course, I don't pay much attention to the U.S. politics so I don't know much bout the other politicians there but I do think he would be a pretty good choice(although I am also against the homosexuality thingy).
For the record the reason I don't like him isn't because of his race, if there was a better black, white, Asian, Indian, whatever candidate I'd want him to win, but IMO Obama sucks.

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