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Is Sven Goran-Eriksson a good manager?
| Posted: 17 Jun 2006, 11:57 | |
Senior Member Joined: 23 May 2006, 10:44 Posts: 164 Location: Singapore |
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| Posted: 17 Jun 2006, 11:59 | |
Veteran Member Joined: 29 Oct 2005, 18:41 Posts: 3006 |
Why have you got "Yes" as a possible answer to this poll ??
 Mandy felt Brian's wrath when she wandered in front of him after they'd announced free beer at the bar..... |
| Posted: 17 Jun 2006, 12:29 | |
Moderator Joined: 11 Apr 2005, 10:05 Posts: 699 Location: Bristol |
I don't really see how you could say he's a bad manager.
His England record is the best. Enough said. He who thinks too much about every step he takes will stay on one leg all his life. |
| Posted: 17 Jun 2006, 12:45 | |
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Wiseman_philosopher wrote: I don't really see how you could say he's a bad manager.
His England record is the best. Enough said. Thats very simplistic. Compare the players he has, compared to say the ones Bobby Robson or Terry Venebles had. Eriksson has his first choice 4-4-2 system with Robinson, Neville, Rio, Terry, A Cole, J Cole, Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Rooney, Owen. If they are fully fit and playing well, it's as good as any in the world. My mum could name that team but it wouldn't make her a good manager. Eriksson is tactically negative, he has failed to get the best out of Gerrard. In qualifying, he nearly messed up at home to Greece before WC 2002 - only a Beckham free-kick saved him. He managed to draw 2-2 at home with Macedonia for Euro 2004 which gave Turkey the chance to win the group He dropped 5 points in one of the easiest groups we've ever had for this world cup In tournaments, his negative attitude (IE - not prepared to kill off teams) has cost us in games when we took the lead against Sweden and Brazil (WC 2002), France and Portugal (Euro 2004). He has wasted friendlies for the last 3 years by not working out different tactics, experimenting what to do if key players get injured. When Rooney got injured his first comments are "We'll have to think of a Plan B" - Brilliant !!!! His job is to have a plan to cover every reasonable mishap and he has failed. He knew 2 years ago how important Rooney is and when he got injured again, he still hadn't got anything worked out The man is an absolute joke. Mandy felt Brian's wrath when she wandered in front of him after they'd announced free beer at the bar..... |
| Posted: 17 Jun 2006, 13:06 | |
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ratherton wrote: The man is an absolute joke.
Ok, a joke which has the joint best record for an England manager ever. It still requires lots of talent and expertise to get the results. Look at Chelsea. Under Ranieri, they had the best players in the league arguably, and look how he did. Then bring in Mourinho, and look what they have achieved, with virtually the same players. You cannot now say that Mourinho has the best players so he can manage from his armchair. He has obviously proven that he is a class manager. Ditto Eriksson. He who thinks too much about every step he takes will stay on one leg all his life. |
| Posted: 17 Jun 2006, 13:13 | |
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Club management and international management is not the same thing.
A Chelsea manager can bring in any players he wants regardless of their nationality as they have so much money At international level, you have the players from a single country at your disposal. If Mourinho had kept the same players Ranieri had then your arguement would have some foundation but he has changed the squad completely. To compare Eriksson against other England managers is also difficult as they all had different players to work with. Euro 2004 and argueably WC2002 was there for the taking and Eriksson negative tactics cost us in both tournaments. Mandy felt Brian's wrath when she wandered in front of him after they'd announced free beer at the bar..... |
| Posted: 17 Jun 2006, 13:28 | |
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ratherton wrote: If Mourinho had kept the same players Ranieri had then your arguement would have some foundation but he has changed the squad completely. Well.....he has! What drastic, team-changing transfers has Mourinho brought in??? Terry? Cech? Makelele? Joe Cole? Crespo? Duff? Lampard? These were of course bought by Mourinho  If you mean changed the squad completely, his signings consisting of Tiago, Kezman, Jarosik etc have "changed the squad completely" then you are getting the wrong end of the stick. Mourinho has largely played players of his predecessors, so clearly Mourinho hasn't changed the squad completely. Looks like my argument has more than foundations. ratherton wrote: To compare Eriksson against other England managers is also difficult as they all had different players to work with. I am comparing them in the aspect of managing with world-class players, not the specific players.
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| Posted: 17 Jun 2006, 13:48 | |
EF Forum Legend Joined: 03 May 2005, 19:20 Posts: 1219 Location: Cambridge, England |
Ranieri defintely lay dwon the foundations for Chelsea's success since the Abromivich take-over. If memory serves correctly, Mourinho so far has bought Drogba (very unpopular and overpriced) Wright-Phillips (expensive sub) Essien (not nearly as good as his Lyon days) Carvalho (who throws tantrums when not picked) and the rest have been distinctly average so far (Del Horno, Ferreira, Maniche, Tiago......)
Yes he has bought two genuinly excellent players in Shevchenko and Ballack but we shall have to see how they adapt to the Premiership. Anyway back to the topic - Errikson does have an excellent record in terms of results, but that doesn't tell the whole story. The only adventurous thing he has done as England manager has been to include Walcott, Lennon and Downing in the World Cup squad - hardly a popular move. He does tend to waste friendlies by not really experimenting, most of the time he picks the first team then takes them all off for the second half. The team;s lack of creativity in the matches leading up to the World Cup (Jamaica aside) has lead to him rushing Rooney and Owen back into the team. Owen has been disappointing and Rooney is still not match fit, and we are in the middle of the world's biggest tournament. David Beckham has started nearly every single game of Errikson's time in charge, despite clear dips in form during that time. You cannot argue with Errikson's record, he has enjoyed huge success at Lazio as well, but I have seen little evidence of tactical thinking and creativity when it comes to England. Sorry Sven - it's 'no' for me. But perhaps I am a little bitter having just seen the highlights of Argentina versus Serbia and Montenegro......... The Man Your Man Could Smell Like. 
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| Posted: 17 Jun 2006, 13:55 | |
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Mourinho has bought:
Drogba, Carvalho, Ferriera, Del Horno, Essien apart from the others you mention and he still isn't happy as he has bought Ballack, Shevchenko, Obi Mikel and Kalou this summer so far. He hasn't been afraid to get rid of players who will upset his squad, the most obvious being coke-head Mutu. Looks like you won that argument 
Back to Eriksson, he hasn't managed the players at all. He can pick a starting XI that anyone can name but after that he has no clear game plan with regard to substitutions, tactics or formations. He likes to play safe, negative football. Get a goal and defend it. English football is not like that. Changing players, tactics and squad selection are all parts of management he simply has not done. Lets go back to August last year. We have a friendly against Denmark. Owen is suspended for the game against Wales 3 weeks later so the obvious thing is to play his chosen replacement (Defoe) with Rooney for 90 minutes. Instead he gives them just 45 minutes then brings on Owen. To cap it all, 3 days before the game, he dreams up some formation with Beckham sitting in front of the back 4 so he can bypass the midfield of Lampard and Gerrard by hitting passes to the wide players. There have been endless examples of equally strange decisions over the years. Did you read his comments as to why he left Crouch on the field on Thursday ?? He said "Crouch was left on the field so he could mark the big T&T player when defending set pieces" If Crouch had done his job properly at the other end of the field, we wouldn't have been worrying about things like that. We should be imposing ourselves on other teams, not playing into their hands. Going back 3 years, he also said about the friendly against Australia when we lost at home "I wouldn't have arranged a game against them if I had known there was so much rivalry" Do any of these comments or decisions make sense to you ??? Mandy felt Brian's wrath when she wandered in front of him after they'd announced free beer at the bar..... |
| Posted: 17 Jun 2006, 14:01 | |
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ratherton wrote: Mourinho has bought:
Drogba, Carvalho, Ferriera, Del Horno, Essien apart from the others you mention and he still isn't happy as he has bought Ballack, Shevchenko, Obi Mikel and Kalou this summer so far. He hasn't been afraid to get rid of players who will upset his squad, the most obvious being coke-head Mutu. Looks like you won that argument Erm......what?
Well it was hardly a gutsy decision to offload an over-paid, under-achieving drug addict now was it? Besides Ranieri did that with Bosnich. Sorry I am getting off-topic again, get back to the Errikson thing and ignore the Chelsea stuff for a while.  
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2006, 15:29 | |
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for me, i think sven was one of the worst managers this world cup, he had many good players yet didnt know how to win,
in the first match he was lucky with beckhams freekick in the second they scored late in the match in the third they had a tie with sweden. non of these matches has seen goals that came from team work except for crouch and gerrard. he should have used a formation that suits his players without rooney so he could have used: -----------------------robinson--------------------- --carragher--ferdinand---------------terry--A.cole --------------------------campbell----------------- --beckham------------------------------------cole -------------------gerrard----------lampard------- -------------------------crouch which can back pass to gerrard or lampard where they can shoot |
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2006, 17:09 | |
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Fehmi wrote: for me, i think sven was one of the worst managers this world cup, he had many good players yet didnt know how to win,
in the first match he was lucky with beckhams freekick in the second they scored late in the match in the third they had a tie with sweden. non of these matches has seen goals that came from team work except for crouch and gerrard. he should have used a formation that suits his players without rooney so he could have used: -----------------------robinson--------------------- --carragher--ferdinand---------------terry--A.cole --------------------------campbell----------------- --beckham------------------------------------cole -------------------gerrard----------lampard------- -------------------------crouch which can back pass to gerrard or lampard where they can shoot You mean play the same team with Crouch instead of Rooney and with.......Campbell as a defensive midfielder???????? lol!!! He who thinks too much about every step he takes will stay on one leg all his life. |
| Posted: 30 Jul 2006, 17:19 | |
Junior Member Joined: 12 Jul 2006, 09:46 Posts: 53 |
hes not a good manager come one he decided that england should play 5-4-1 against ecuador and we didnt play so well with that formation and the next game he decided that england should play 5-4-1 again
come on liverpool 
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2006, 17:23 | |
English Meister Joined: 03 Mar 2006, 20:59 Posts: 4062 Location: england |
you say he isnt a good manager because look at him and what he did for england, nothing i agree but if you look at his previous clubs before england like lazio, he was a good manager there and won trophies with htem, i just dont think the england job was ment for him.
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| Posted: 31 Jul 2006, 02:01 | |
Admin Joined: 24 Feb 2005, 23:40 Posts: 4995 Location: Michigan, USA |
at first i was going to say yes, but after all that i have read, you all made excellent points. with the team he had, they shouldve probably won the cup,(i actually had them losing to brazil, how dumb am i?) maybe he should go and coach the swede team whenever they need a coach or something because england seemed like too much pressure for him. it was like, they got the lead, and he felt that that would do and didnt want to be criticized for trying to stay in an attacking mind set and let in a goal. something like the pressure was telling him to defend
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