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The importance of the Championship
| Posted: 30 May 2008, 22:50 Report Quote | |
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I was wondering, this I suppose is mainly a question for Ratherton and anyone else who watches the championship if they regard the championship as important/vital to the production of English players, does the championship (in your opinion) support and bring out footballing talent in England or is that catered for by the big club's academies?
Also, if you could, would you remove the EPL, turning the championship into the top tier league of England and have barclay's run the EPL as a seperate entity? (Assuming a working relegation/promotion was worked out?) On another note, I'm displeased that this forum was not labelled "Ratherton's corner" as I originally wanted. But on a lighter note, FORUM VIRGINITY!   www.mission-control.tumblr.com |
| Posted: 30 May 2008, 23:48 Report Quote | |
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Well, I watch the championship occasionally, and the highlights and stuff.
Its not really going to make any difference if the EPL was removed into a seperate comp, people are still going to be more interested in it than the Championship. Also, if the EPL was removed, then there would'nt be any exciting nailbiting relegation battles ( i assume you mean if it was just the Epl, with no relegation like here in Aus)  Sig by me |
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| Posted: 31 May 2008, 07:52 Report Quote | |
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I think if the Premier League were to break away as a separate entity, it would be a much smaller league, probably around 8-12 teams. Most of the teams aren't that marketable and if the league were going to do something like this, why bring along clubs that aren't going to generate much money.
The clubs would make a lot of money but I think it would ultimately suffer. I've played in a league with no promotion or relegation. There was always one or two teams that would dominate so it wasn't that exciting as ultimately the results didn't make that much difference. There would definitely be an effect on the Championship and other leagues. For a start, the large investors at clubs like QPR would no longer be interested as they are ultimately expecting a return on their investment which they cannot get without competing in the Premier League. The Championship would also lose out in terms for excitement. Whilst they are a bit unfair, the play-offs have kept the season running longer for a number of clubs but without promotion, that would be taken away.  Mandy felt Brian's wrath when she wandered in front of him after they'd announced free beer at the bar..... |
| Posted: 31 May 2008, 22:19 Report Quote | |
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Hugh wrote: I was wondering, this I suppose is mainly a question for Ratherton and anyone else who watches the championship if they regard the championship as important/vital to the production of English players, does the championship (in your opinion) support and bring out footballing talent in England or is that catered for by the big club's academies?
Also, if you could, would you remove the EPL, turning the championship into the top tier league of England and have barclay's run the EPL as a seperate entity? (Assuming a working relegation/promotion was worked out?) On another note, I'm displeased that this forum was not labelled "Ratherton's corner" as I originally wanted. But on a lighter note, FORUM VIRGINITY! the production of english talent is rarely produced by the big clubs, they are buying up so many foreign youngsters these days and many clubs dont even bother using their youth systems properly and just pay big money for established internationals, which doesnt allow youth to have a chance really. You see many players who are now england internationals who came from championship/football league academies and because of the big money of the premiership teams have been bought by these big sides and gone on to be successful. I mean look at John Bostock going to Spurs now after hes been at Palace since the age of 5.  CRYSTAL PALACE FC keller8 "If you don't believe in yourself why should anyone else?" Andrei Shevchencko. |
| Posted: 31 May 2008, 22:29 Report Quote | |
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Rulezzz wrote: Hugh wrote: I was wondering, this I suppose is mainly a question for Ratherton and anyone else who watches the championship if they regard the championship as important/vital to the production of English players, does the championship (in your opinion) support and bring out footballing talent in England or is that catered for by the big club's academies? Also, if you could, would you remove the EPL, turning the championship into the top tier league of England and have barclay's run the EPL as a seperate entity? (Assuming a working relegation/promotion was worked out?) On another note, I'm displeased that this forum was not labelled "Ratherton's corner" as I originally wanted. But on a lighter note, FORUM VIRGINITY! the production of english talent is rarely produced by the big clubs, they are buying up so many foreign youngsters these days and many clubs dont even bother using their youth systems properly and just pay big money for established internationals, which doesnt allow youth to have a chance really. You see many players who are now england internationals who came from championship/football league academies and because of the big money of the premiership teams have been bought by these big sides and gone on to be successful. I mean look at John Bostock going to Spurs now after hes been at Palace since the age of 5. well i think the majority of "superstars"(i use the term very loosely) come from premiership academies, your gerrards rooneys and all the west ham kids carrick jcole lampard (i know west ham were down for a bit but they are a premiership club in my opinion) not taking anything away from the lower division sides they produce alot of premiership players, theo walcott, andy johnson, im getting bored, im sure rulezzz and ratherton could name many more, dj campbell haha, more coming into my head, luke young, thats about it for now  oh dean ashton?, now im done
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| Posted: 01 Jun 2008, 09:24 Report Quote | |
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I've tried to include players who were from clubs when those clubs weren't in the Premier League. Wayne Bridge came from Southampton when they were a Premier League side but now they aren't so I've excluded players like that. I've also excluded Hull City players as well as players who started at a Premiership club but were released and had to drop down to start again (eg Steve Sidwell). There are also players who have played in the Premier League/International level who no longer compete at that level who started at lower league clubs (eg James Scowcroft).
Gareth Barry (Brighton) Marlon Harewood (Forest) Curtis Davies (Wimbledon) Wayne Routledge (Palace) Nigel Reo-Coker (Wimbledon) Scott Sinclair (Bristol Rovers) Joleon Lescott (Wolves) Phil Jagielka (Sheff Utd) Danny Murphy (Crewe) Jermaine Pennant (Notts County) Ben Foster (Stoke) David James (Watford) Linvoy Primus (Charlton) David Nugent (Bury) Greg Halford (Colchester) Dean Whitehead (Oxford) Jermaine Jenas (Forest) Michael Dawson (Forest) Darren Bent (Ipswich) Robert Green (Norwich - spit) Matthew Upson (Luton) Scott Parker (Charlton) Matthew Etherington (Peterborough) Hayden Mullins (Palace) Richard Wright (Ipswich) Keiron Dyer (Ipswich) Bobby Zamora (Brighton) Titus Bramble (Ipswich) Marcus Bent (Brentford) Mandy felt Brian's wrath when she wandered in front of him after they'd announced free beer at the bar..... |
| Posted: 01 Jun 2008, 09:34 Report Quote | |
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ScottyBoy wrote: Rulezzz wrote: Hugh wrote: I was wondering, this I suppose is mainly a question for Ratherton and anyone else who watches the championship if they regard the championship as important/vital to the production of English players, does the championship (in your opinion) support and bring out footballing talent in England or is that catered for by the big club's academies? Also, if you could, would you remove the EPL, turning the championship into the top tier league of England and have barclay's run the EPL as a seperate entity? (Assuming a working relegation/promotion was worked out?) On another note, I'm displeased that this forum was not labelled "Ratherton's corner" as I originally wanted. But on a lighter note, FORUM VIRGINITY! the production of english talent is rarely produced by the big clubs, they are buying up so many foreign youngsters these days and many clubs dont even bother using their youth systems properly and just pay big money for established internationals, which doesnt allow youth to have a chance really. You see many players who are now england internationals who came from championship/football league academies and because of the big money of the premiership teams have been bought by these big sides and gone on to be successful. I mean look at John Bostock going to Spurs now after hes been at Palace since the age of 5. well i think the majority of "superstars"(i use the term very loosely) come from premiership academies, your gerrards rooneys and all the west ham kids carrick jcole lampard (i know west ham were down for a bit but they are a premiership club in my opinion) not taking anything away from the lower division sides they produce alot of premiership players, theo walcott, andy johnson, im getting bored, im sure rulezzz and ratherton could name many more, dj campbell haha, more coming into my head, luke young, thats about it for now oh dean ashton?, now im doneyea umm the "majority" of good players dont come from premiership academies lol. some of them do im not discounting that, but the majority of england internationals come from lower division teams as ratherton has just mentioned many^^ CRYSTAL PALACE FC keller8 "If you don't believe in yourself why should anyone else?" Andrei Shevchencko. |
| Posted: 01 Jun 2008, 13:38 Report Quote | |
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? most of them?
i only count 2 regular internationals and all those players ratherton mentioned proved my point, none of them are lighting up world football but they do make up the backbone of the premier league People who say something cannot be done are often surprised by others doing it. |
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| Posted: 01 Jun 2008, 14:31 Report Quote | |
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Veteran Member Joined: 29 Oct 2005, 18:41 Posts: 3006 |
ScottyBoy wrote: ? most of them?
i only count 2 regular internationals and all those players ratherton mentioned proved my point, none of them are lighting up world football but they do make up the backbone of the premier league Well, in your post, you mentioned Dean Ashton who has yet to make his international debut. Most of those players in my list have been involved in either U21 or full international squads and anyway, they can't all be regular England internationals, can they ?? Anyway, I digress, the point is that lower league clubs have produced a large number of players with the potential to be internationals. They may be a number of reasons why those players fail to fulfil their potential. Mandy felt Brian's wrath when she wandered in front of him after they'd announced free beer at the bar..... |